Narrative Reports

Do you ever take the 'easy way' to do something? Well, I do all of the time when it comes to writing about an ancestor. For quite a few years, I've been letting my genealogy software compose the narrative.

I first learned to take advantage of turning the events into sentences and thus into a narrative while using The Master Genealogist. Second Site software would take my genealogy data in TMG and turn it into a narrated web site.

Tax Roles

I've been trying to learn more about my ancestor, John Thompson (1797-1857) in hopes of identifying his parents. He married Sarah Iglehart in 1820 in Ohio County, Kentucky. Thus, I wanted to learn more about any Thompsons in Ohio County, Kentucky around the time of this marriage.

Fortunately, the Ohio County, Kentucky Tax Books, 1799-1875 are available for viewing on Family Search. Even though these images aren't indexed, it was fairly easy to find the images for the 'T' portion of the alphabet. (Note: I also recorded information for the Igleharts while viewing this resource.)

I found a John Thompson listed in 1820. This John Thompson was over 21 and owned a horse.

Charles Oliver Mentzer

     Charles Oliver Mentzer was born on 1 Jul 1869 in Kewanee, Henry, Illinois, United States.^{1–12 1,10,13–14} He lived in Kewanee, Henry, Illinois, United States on 23 Aug 1870.¹⁵ Chas O Mentzer was listed in the household of Geo Mentzer on the 1870 census. According to the census, Chas was 1 year old and born in Illinois. He lived in Woodson, Kansas, United States in 1871.²

Range 14 East 6th PM Index

Have you ever had trouble documenting a father/son relationship? Or, have you had trouble separating records for men of the same name? My go to source in these situations has been the land records.

In Kansas, we are lucky in that most counties maintain what is called the Range Index. Basically, this is an index of the land transactions for the range. What is nice about this index is that each quarter section has its own page. Thus, it is easy to see how land was transferred over time.

Last August, I was able to travel to Woodson County, Kansas to track down a court case and to obtain copies of the land records for my Mentzer, Wells, and Ricketts families. Below is a transcription of the information found in the index for Range 14.

Woodson County, Kansas
Range 14 Index

Never Finished Pt 2

A comment was made on me previous post about sourcing. I totally agree that if I only count well-documented ancestors, then my % decreases drastically. I recently discovered the ability of the Fan Chart on the Family Search tree to display status of sourcing.

Never Finished

Last May, we started a home improvement project to replace broken and damaged concrete. Since the concrete was under our screened-in-porch, the project included tearing down our the screened-in-porch and replacing it with a room addition. The project quickly expanded to include new siding and windows. In July, I jokingly commented to our contractor that I just wanted to be done by Christmas.

Well, the tree is up, and we aren't finished yet. Unfortunately, they ran out of siding. We are on the list for new guttering, but the weather is affecting that contractor's ability to work. Thus, our remodel project is still a work in progress -- a lot like my genealogy projects.

Today, someone tweeted Crista Cowan's 2012 blog post, Family History All Done? What's Your Number? Curious, I decided to 'calculate' my number.

Now, when people question why I'm not finished, I can honestly say:

I've only discovered 39% of my ancestors back 10 generations!

What's Your Number?

Jackpot

About a month ago, I ran across another Thompson tree on Ancestry.com that had an article from the Belleville newspaper attached to Ulysses Grant Thompson.

Curious as to what was in the newspaper, I decided to do a search for Grant Thompson in the Belleville, Kansas newspapers on Newspapers.com.

Instead of backing up a step and doing a more focused search, I opened many of the articles in new tabs. Thus, I had a browser open with who knows how many tabs.

I not only found an obituary for Ulysses Grant Thompson, but also for his wives.

In addition, I found news items related  Grant Thompson's siblings and his children.

This newspaper search took quite a few hours (days) to complete. However, the information contained in all of these articles was genealogy GOLD.

I hit the JACKPOT!

Bearded - Not!

A recent #52Ancestors prompt was bearded. In thinking about that prompt, my first thought was I don't have anyone to right about since the majority of pictures I have are of men without beards. So instead of writing about someone who was bearded, I'm going to show my unbearded family tree.

My Family Tree

Parents

Eugene David Crawford and Roberta Adell Briles

Issues Searching Trees

Do you wish that everyone who took a DNA test had a tree attached going back to at least their grandparents? Do you ever search public member trees hoping to find a cousin with the family Bible or family photographs? I have a lot of family photographs, documents and even a Bible that I want to share with family members. I have a public member tree and I want others to be able to find my tree.

As I discovered yesterday, the vast majority of my tree may now be found. However, there are parts of my tree that still aren't indexed. Randy Seaver reminded me of this possibility in his reply to my comment on his blog, Has Ancestry.com Indexed Ancestry Member Trees Yet. It appears that the entire tree isn't indexed. Instead only individuals with Ancestry.com sources are indexed.

In order to verify this, I had to go to a section of my tree where I had not worked the Ancestry hints. I selected the John Minnick family to test this theory. My Heartland Genealogy tree contains Ancestry sources for John Minnick.

Finally Indexed! But ?

Due to my husband's fight with pneumonia, I have been away from genealogy for a couple of weeks. This evening, I decided to see if my tree would show up in a search of public member trees. (See Ancestry Indexing Update from Aug 2018)

To my surprise, my tree, Heartland Genealogy, appeared in the results.

1869 Briles Deed

Coffey County Kansas
Deed Book O
Page 603

Warranty Deed
This indenture made this twentieth day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand sixty nine between Alexander Briles and Sarah his wife of Neosho Township in the County of Coffey and State of Kansas of the first part and Noah W Briles of Neosho Township in the county of Coffey and State of Kansas of the second part witnesseth that the said party of the first part in consideration of the sum of four hundred dollars to them duly paid have sold and by these presents do grant and convey to the said party of the second part his heirs and assigns all that tract or parcel of land situated in Coffey County and State of Kansas and described as follows to wit: The West Half of the North East Quarter of Section Twelve in Township Twenty Three of Range Fifteen (15) East containing eighty acres more or less with its appurtenances and all the estate titles and interest of the said parties of the first part therein and the said Alexander Briles and Sarah his wife do hereby covenant and agree that at the delivery hereof they are the lawful owners of the premises above granted and seized of a good and indefeasible estate of inheritance therein free and clear of all encumbrances and that they will warrant and defend the said in the quiet and peaceable possession of said party of the second part his heirs and assigns forever. In Witness whereof the said parties of the first part have hereunto set their hands and seals this day and year above written.
Alexander Briles (seal)
Sarah Briles (seal)
State of Kansas
County of Coffey
On this twentieth day of September AD 1869 before me a justice of the peace in and for said county came Alexander Briles and Sarah Briles his wife to me personally known to be the identical persons describe in and whose names are affixed to the above conveyance as grantor and acknowledged the same to be their own voluntary act and deed. In testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed my official seal on the day and year last above written.
W F Thornberry
JP
Filed for record Nov 19 1872
At 11 am Stumped 50C
Wm H Bear
Register of Deeds

Still Not Indexed

Do you search public member trees for hints?

Do you search public member trees to try and connect with others researching your ancestor?

If so, did you realize that only trees with Ancestry sources attached to the tree will appear in the list of results? It doesn't matter how many other sources are attached, the tree won't appear in the search results.

Did you also realize that any trees created since October 10, 2017 won't appear in the list of results. That means that the search results won't contain trees created by DNA testers in the last year.

I have no idea how many public trees are hidden because of the lack of an updated index. However, I do know that my Heartland Genealogy tree is one of those that is hidden.

I would love for others to be able to find my tree.

Two Julias

Have you ever looked at your genealogy and wondered, 'How did I get that?'

That happened to me recently as I was researching the descendants of William Taylor Thompson of Wapello County, Iowa. William had a daughter, Julia. I had found a Wapello County, Iowa marriage record for Julia S Thompson to Edward Bates in 1868. Thus, I was following shaky leaf hints for Julia Thompson Bates.

In the process, I found the Find a Grave memorial for Julia A. Thompson Bates - who died in 1922. But wait, I have Julia Thompson dying before 1887.

So, where did I get the death information? And, is it correct? If so, does this mean I've mixed up two different Julia Thompsons?

Confused Williams

Have you ever been tempted to pull someone else's family history research into your tree? I know I have. Back in the days of PAF, another RICKETTS researcher shared a gedcom with me. Knowing he was a serious worker and that the file was full of information that could help me on my RICKETTS line, I imported his gedcom file into my file. So, when someone would ask me about a RICKETTS, I would have to confess that I had copied the info into my file and really didn't know much about that particular individual.

Over time, I was able to figure out how to selectively weed that RICKETTS data so that I only had families I had researched. From this first hand experience, I know how erroneous information can creep into a tree. I do use other trees - for hints and to check my research.

I am currently researching my THOMPSON line. My ancestor, William Taylor Thompson, was born and married in Indiana. After his marriage, he moved to Wapello County, Iowa where he died. Hoping to see what other researchers had on William Taylor Thompson and to see if I have any THOMPSON DNA matches, I did a search of the public member trees on Ancestry. That's when I discovered that the various trees are not in agreement on William's death date.

Interview with Dad

Around 2005, I sat down with a small voice recorder and my parents to discuss their life. There wasn't any specific order to our discussions. Thus, they wander all over the place - but provide a lot of insight into their lives. Below is a transcript of one of those interviews:

What are your favorite memories of your kids

D: Well, I remember collectively I remember how good a student they were. That was not a problem getting any one of the three of you to study and to perform well in school

M: I remember them playing out in the backyard in Dodge City with the neighborhood kids. I remember Dave burying his shoe in the sand when they were building the house next door.

D: Oh – I remember Dave hanging his glasses on the fence

D I remember you being sort of a judge or a referee with the neighborhood kids when playing especially when (what’s her name) (me – Shelly) – when all of you were playing together with Shelly – of course she was (me – down syndrome) retarded – she didn’t know what the rules were and how to play and I remember you sorting things out and keeping things calm and cool – nobody got hurt, nobody got in a fight.

D I remember Terry being a trainer for the basketball team and how important it was for him to do that job and how well he did it

D I also remember (him) going to the horse races and filming the horse races and how he thought at the time that was going to be his life work

D I remember him how proud he was when he bought his first car

M I remember Marcia getting her hood when she got her Masters librarian. And I remember I don’t know if it was your first date or what but you had a really pretty dress when we lived in Lincoln and you went out for a party (me – 9^th grade formal – you bought me that dress in St. Louis when we went for your interview.)

M I don’t know if it would have to be a favorite memory but a very vivid memory was when Dave was in the hospital and they thought he had meningitis. He was strapped to the bed and they had IVs in him and he was literally strapped in bed and he was in isolation and we couldn’t go in and pick him up or anything. Just had to look thru the window at him (me – how old was he?) about 18 months – he had just gotten off the bottle and was dehydrated you both had had bad respiratory infections

D I remember picking him up out of the crib and trying to wake him up I remember picking him up out of the crib and holding him in my arms and he wouldn’t wake up he was just so lifeless and it scared me – aftermath of that while he was still in the hospital without a reason why he was there and I had to teach school and that was really tough.

Me – Did Dave go to an eye doctor in Emporia while we lived in Dodge City?

D – no

Me – Didn’t your bring him out here (Emporia) on the train?

M – I think so, I think so, he also went to an eye doctor in KU. I think so, I can’t remember the doctors name but

Me – where was his first eye surgery

M – In Dodge City

D – all his eye surgeries were done by the same doctor in Dodge City

M – I remember the doctor picking Dave up and carrying him to the operating room and carrying him back

Me How old was Dave when he had his first surgery

D – 4 years old

M – are you sure he wasn’t younger than that

D no he was 4

ME – Dave and I had our tonsils out at the same time

M – Yes you did and you were not sick following that

Me – Dave wasn’t sick following that – that’s not my memory

M – well you both were jumping up and down on the couch I’ll put it that way when you got home from getting them out. We had a hide-a-bed and we made it out for you. Instead of laying around like little sick kids you were jumping up and down on the couch

Me I remember them putting the cone on my head and I was scared and I remember supper – I don’t know if it was the same night or the next night and my throat hurt

M – it was probably the next night

M – I remember when you had the flu and I think you were probably 5 and you were in our bed and you had such a high fever that the doctor said to keep wiping you down with alcohol and I was in there wiping you down with alcohol

Me – Do you remember what must have been the summer from ‘hell’ when you had three kids with measles and chicken pox

M – well I remember it wasn’t too bad thanks to grandma and grandpa Crawford and uncle LR. Cause LR was I’ll never forget him sitting there oohing and aahing at the fireworks when you guys still had the chicken pox. Cause you couldn’t go outdoors. And you couldn’t go out and see the fireworks but we could see them from the picture window there in Dodge and he was sitting down there by that window and course Gene was gone he had gone away to school that summer

D – you remember that

Me – I don’t remember that

M – he had left a week early because you got the mumps and he had never had the mumps and how the boys escaped the mumps I’ll never know

Me – you kept me in isolation

M – ya but you know even so, they probably, they’re lucky, they got vaccine as soon as the mumps vaccine came out

M – I remember the neighborhood in Dodge city – it was a good neighborhood for kids

D – in respects to Dave and his eye surgery – I think he stayed overnight one night and we brought him home and we had the couch opened up as a bed and I laid him down on the bed and he got up on his hands and knees and looked at me and said ‘When do they do the next one?’

M – That’s what I’m going to say after I get my cataract surgery done

Me – We’ll switch to the two of you – This is an easy one – Katie doesn’t know the story Where did you and grandma get married and something about a flood

D – We got married in First Christian Church in Emporia, Kansas June 9 1951, 1951 was the year of the great flood. But the great flood didn’t occur until after June. Minor floods occurred the end of May and all of June before the major one in July and if you get out a Kansas map we traveled from Dodge City to  -- o jeepers – should’ve got out a Kansas map myself – o just a minute – now I can’t even read it

Me ah Florence

D – We traveled from Dodge City on 50 to Florence and had to go North at Florence and then across Herington and then across and then clear across north of Emporia and then south into Emporia and my best man Curt Craig and he traveled for 3 hours in various distances to get to Emporia and my usher Clair Conard was in Lawrence and he had a hard time I don’t know how long it took him a while to get to Emporia. That flood also cost me several jobs that summer

Me – and there was a story about your dad on the night

M – no not that night necessarily – Emporia used to flood real regularly – in order to get film for the theater he would go down to Soden’s Grove and there was a boat there and they would row across the river to the other side of the highway to pick up the film and row back so they could show the movies. That was several times. That’s The only way we got out of town when we left on our honeymoon was to go South on 99 to go to Wichita

Me – Dave’s birth

D – Well that was sort of an exciting time. Your mother and I went to Dodge City for Christmas and things were supposed to be normal but on the 21^st – the night of the 21s morning of the 22^nd she began to bleed heavily. And so I went out and got the car started, got it warmed up. Grandma Crawford bundled Bert up and I carried her out to the car and she had called the doctor to meet us at the hospital. And so we drove to the hospital and the doctor was already there and they took her in and elevated her feet in a sense stood her on her head and things looked pretty good and then on the morning of the 23^rd things didn’t go quite the way everyone wanted to and she gave birth to the boys. David Eugene lived Duane Gail could not combat the mucous on his lungs and he passed away on the 24^th. Your mother was in the hospital when we buried Duane Gail and that was a tough time too.

M – I don’t remember much about it – truly don’t except I knew  they rushed me to the hospital – beyond that I don’t know – I didn’t get to see Duane at all – and it was several days before I got to see Dave was in an incubator because they wouldn’t let me out of bed. I ‘m not sure how long I stayed in the hospital and Gene had to come back to work the first part of January and so I was still in the hospital and after I was released, you and I (Marcia) and I came home on the train and I don’t remember any problems with traveling with her on the train. She was you were about a little over 18 months

Me – Did you know you were carrying twins

M – No No had no idea

Me – Did you check with your doctor here about going to Emporia

M – Yes we had checked with the doctor here about going to Dodge City  and he said that would be fine

Me – How did Dave get to Emporia

M – Grandma Crawford brought Dave to Emporia in the white basinet which is still around in the family someplace I think Yes she came down here with him and that was on Valentine’s day he got to come home

Me – we’ll switch a few years later – blizzard of 1957

D –well the blizzard of 1957 – it started to snow, it snowed and snowed and snowed. Course I was used to blizzards and we had stocked up food, dried milk, pancake mix – things like that in what we called our winter storage and across the street – (Sayres) Merle Sayre came over and advised me that we ought to take the kids and go down to my grandparents which was closer to the hospital by quite a ways. And as we were talking about it his mother-in-law tried to get in to see them and slid her car crosswise on one of two roads that could get us in and out to the main part of town. So I decided that was the best thing to do so I got dressed and went out and started putting chains on and while I was outside  putting chains on a panel truck got crosswise of the other road that could get us to the hospital so Merle suggested that we see if my folks could come up and get us and so going across country was Merle Sayre and another neighbor whose name I forgot (Edmonston) and they were carrying – one was carrying Marcia and one was carrying Dave and I was carrying two suitcases and sorta trying to assist your mother  in trying to get across to the street that was open. (Me – She was 8 months pregnant?) Yea she was 8 months pregnant. So we went down to stay at grandma and grandpa Crawfords and we forgot one thing that we thought we really needed and that was cigarettes and when we came home the food we left behind was gone. (M - We had told the neighbors to take whatever)The neighbors knew they could come and get anything they needed. The food was gone. The milk was gone to some very young babies and the cigarettes had gone to the adults. So, it was sorta a good Samaritan closet. When we came home we drove by drifts 4, 5, 8 foot tall. Our neighbors car, Biggerstaffs car to the South of us was parked on the street and the snow was packed up around it up to the level of the bottoms of  the windows and we were actually walking on about 4 foot above ground as we came back home.

Me – We used to have super 8 movies of that – He’s not exaggerating the depth of the snow – the movies showed you how deep the snow was

M – Yea we walked over one drift coming home as high as a clothesline and then about what two weeks after that there was another blizzard that was forecast and I had had quite a bit of false labor and so the doctor put me in the hospital that time just in case Terry were to born but  the blizzard didn’t materialize and Terry didn’t either. He was born right on the date when he was.

M – and we haven’t said anything about your birth it was kinda exciting too When Marcia was born we lived in Glasco Kansas we did not own a car. The hospital was in Concordia, no Beloit. The doctor said don’t worry about it, I’ll drive you. So when the time came, yea he came and picked us up and drove us. The problem was he had a brand new car and at that time you were supposed to break new cars in by driving them at varying speeds and not very fast. I thought we would never ever get to the hospital. But we got there in plenty of time and so your birth following that was really uneventful – the most uneventful of any of them I guess

D – One thing that she didn’t remember was that the night before the birth – Marcia was born at 7 am – the night before the birth we played bridge with a couple and we usually finished up around midnight and so and it was oh about a 3-4 block walk from our friend’s house to where we lived so as we started home I challenged your mother to a race and so we ran home and she did a pretty good job of running too.

Me – I didn’t realize you hadn’t had a car when you lived in Glasco until probably the last month but when you were telling me about that you also told me how you got to Dodge City or Emporia to see your parents from Glasco

D – first of all we didn’t have a car when we lived in Glasco. We didn’t own a car until we lived in Emporia for the first time.  Getting -- I don’t remember many times us that we went to Emporia or that we went to Dodge City

M – Yes – we I can’t remember I think it was probably with (you said it was with friends) drove with

Me – you rode with them part way …

M – yea they took us and there was a rest area on the high way coming down this side of Marion and daddy met us there and brought us on in to Emporia and they lived in what town close to Great Bend – D Ellinwood – and we would ride with them to Ellinwood and Gene’s folks would come there to pick us up.

Me – Where was Dave baptized

D – Dave was baptized at the First Methodist Church in Dodge City

Me – Where was I baptized

M – First Methodist Church in Dodge City so was Terry

D – All three of your kids were baptized at the First Methodist Church in Dodge City. Was Terry baptized in the new church – (M – NO) in the old church

M – The new one wasn’t built until a few months (years) before we moved

Me – when you lived in Glasco you had a dog right talk about the dog

D – Snuffy, Snuffy was our dog. Snuff was a good dog. Snuffy would, we had to go down to the post office to get mail, there wasn’t any delivery and so we would go down to the post office he would follow me, he would heal and follow me all the way and when we got to the post office, I would tell him to sit and he would sit down beside the door. And I would go into the post office and get the mail and start home sometimes when I started home I’d stop off at the drug store which was sorta where everybody hung out and I would tell him to sit and he would sit just outside the door never moved until we started home and he’d heal and we would come home he was a well mannered dog and oh a lot of fun

M – there was one time he wasn’t so good. We had gone to church and were asked out and we stopped by the house and Gene left his top coat laying  on the couch and we got home and Snuffy had  gotten bored and he had chewed all of the buttons off of that topcoat which happened to be the only topcoat he had so he wasn’t a very good dog that time

Me –We’re going to back up a little bit -- I think it was while you were in college (junior college) and your picture ended up in Life magazine and you were part of a group and you said you worked for them, it was a temperance movement in Kansas can you talk about that

D – I would like to remember the name of the fella He was a big rancher down at Elkhart and he wanted to effectively block – well to get people to vote against liquor by the drink and so I got hired to drive a truck that had a big sign on it. So My job was to pull into town, mount the sign vertically on the truck bed and drive it thru the town in a parade and then when we got ready to leave for the next town well I’d have to untie all the guy ropes and lower the sign and lay it flat on the truck bed and tie it down there so it couldn’t come off and take off for the next town with the rest of the entourage. It was quite an experience.

Me – I’m not sure of the timing on this and I could be totally wrong, but I think you went to Washington State with Curtis Craig one summer to work – am I right?

D – You’re right

Me – tell us about that

D – Well Curtis and I found a ad or something in publication that talked about college kids working in canneries so we wrote off a couple of letters and both of us got jobs to work in these canneries and our job was to take lugs – boxes of unshelled peas – and to dump them into a sifter that sifted out leaves and everything but the peas and that was we did that 12 hours a day 7 days a week for about 4 weeks – well as long as the season lasted and then we moved up into Washington that actually on the border Athena Oregon and Walla Walla Washington was where the plant was located right in between the two towns so we went up into Washington and got jobs on farms. And I worked for a first generation German, really a nice old fella that wanted the things done his way which was the right way but he allowed for a mistake now and then if I missed a swath of grain, I drove a caterpillar tractor and pulled a combine, if I missed a swath of grain, it cost me a beer. We would be up before sunrise and have breakfast and be out in the field by sunup cutting wheat which in western Kansas you don’t start cutting wheat until 8 or 9 o’clock because of dew but it was so dry there in Washington that you could cut actually all night too so after our jobs ran out at the farm, we just made a vacation out of it and traveled sight seeing coming home

M – tell them about the previous summer – trip with Curt and Max

D – previous summer, Curt, Max Gott and I wanted to take a vacation. So we loaded up 3 sleeping bags, a ground cloth a one burner stove a coca cola ice box in the car and took out we cooked our own meals and traveled quite a distance we went South thru New Mexico across Arizona into California, stayed at Aunt Alma’s for a couple of days and that was sorta unusual because it was quite different from the way we had been traveling we went on up the coast to San Francisco. We tried to get the cops to let us stay in - spend the night in jail and they wouldn’t let us so we drove out to where we thought we were way out in the country found a little road off that Td off the high way we were on drove in there and it was a big wide it was dark by the way all we could see was a wide spanse of nothing So we got out our sleeping bags and ground cloth and went to sleep the next morning the farmer was standing over us telling us to get the heck out of his field so we apologized and packed up and left drove to Sacramento spent some time there drove to Salt Lake visited Salt Lake and then drove towards Denver we got to the summit of a --- pass and  nobody wanted to drive we were all sleepy in fact we hadn’t slept since Sacrmento and so we I pulled I was driving but nobody wanted to take over so  I pulled over to the side of the highway as far as I could get and I got out the ground cloth and a sleeping bag and told the fellas if they wanted sleep now is the time and so eventually they joined me but I don’t remember because I went to sleep so fast and the next morning I woke up and I had about 2” of snow over the top of my sleeping bag and all of the ground around me was covered with snow but we were refreshed we went on into Denver and explored Denver and drove on home 4400 miles 12 days and $60 apiece

M – Do you remember when Aunt Alma moved from California to Sedona

D – I don’t remember but I know she did

M – Older boys were pretty well grown when they lived in Sedona

Me – What was your first job

D – my first job was driving a delivery truck for the grocery store at the age of 14

Me was that grocery store Dillon’s

D – No it was Noll’s grocery N-O-L-L ‘s /

Me – explain the relationship

D – there was no relationship

Me – Aunt Esther’s

D – that was long after the store ceased to exist. Long after I worked there, my Aunt Esther married Carl Noll and became a worker in the store but it was several years and could be as many as 8 or 10

Me – Where was this store

D – The store was a half block from our house at 512 Ave G

Me – When you taught at Dodge City – you had different summer jobs was one of them for a dairy?

D – Ya I worked for Fairmonts for a short period of time until they found out I wasn’t buying their milk, When they found out I wasn’t buying their milk they fired me

Me – was one of them construction

D – Ya – I forget the name of the construction firm

M – No you didn’t construct, The only construction job I remember was the summer before we were out there before you started teaching and you worked for the highway firm

D – No I worked for a construction firm – built construction forms, built concrete walls poured concrete floors but I can’t remember the name of the firm, I can show you houses I helped build

M – worked for city engineer one summer

D – ya I worked for the city engineer one summer and I worked for the Kansas grain inspection one summer. In those days when you were a school teacher you looked for summer jobs wherever you could find it

M – but you went to school on fellowships too

D – that was the latter part

Me – How did you end up teaching here at Emporia in the early 50’s the year Dave was born, 52-53, how did you end up here?

D – Dr. Cram who was the head of the physics department came to visit me and he offered me a job. It was a one year job because I was going to replace someone who was finishing up a PhD. Dr. Burger was the person. And so, that’s the essence of it. He offered me a job, I took it. It lasted just one year. Then I went to took a job at Kansas City.

Me – but before you took a job at Kansas City didn’t you apply for a job at Michigan

D – no

Me – when did you apply for a job in Michigan

D – I don’t remember applying for a job in Michigan

D – what are you saying

M – Went to Michigan for summer

Me – did Dr. Cram – letter of application that you wrote to Michigan / in those papers you gave me

Me – why did you move to Dodge city in 1957

D – because I had a job

Me – doing what

D – I had a job teaching school

Me what 55

M 55

D – ya 55

Me – teaching where

D – In Dodge City

M – junior college

D – junior college

Me – and who was one of your students

D – my brother

Me – was that unusual – did that seem weird to be teaching your brother?

D – no it didn’t seem weird, I don’t know that it was unusual

Me – tell us about your brother

D – my brother, first of all he was a genius, he was very very smart but not but yet common you couldn’t help but like him, it’s difficult to talk about him

Me – did you have some things that you always did together growing up

D – no that’s one of the sad things, with  11 years of difference between us we were in sorta different worlds so probably the closest probably the only time you might consider we were in the same world was when he was a student and I was a teacher and he was a joy to have in class

M – he was an all around good guy and a wonderful uncle. He was young enough I guess that he enjoyed playing with the kids and just took really good care of them and he liked to kid around a little bit I guess – like I remember the time he worked at Dillon’s store in Dodge City – south Dillons – no it was North Dillons – Dave had fallen off of the porch and skinned his face up really good and proper Of course LR couldn’t check us out at the grocery line because we were family we were in there and he saw Dave and said ‘what happened to him’ and Gene said ‘I popped him one’ and course LR knew better but I one of the cashiers really I think she was ready  to call and turn in Gene for abuse

Me –Well, I remember Thanksgiving dinners Christmas dinners. They were always at grandma’s house. (M – yep) Grandma sat at the head of the table and I sat next to grandma. My memory says LR was at the foot of the table and. Grandad was basically across from me. Mary Hoffman always joined us. If some of the kids that rented from grandma were there, they joined us. It wasn’t just family, but all of us were around the table. Thanksgiving and Christmas always included oysters –(M – scalloped oysters) scalloped oysters. For most meals we told we had to take some of everything, we had to try it and that meant you put it on your plate and you ate it. The only exception to that rule was the scalloped oysters and we never had to take them because all of the adults wanted the scalloped oysters and didn’t really want to share the scalloped oysters. And we really didn’t mind either because I don’t remember any of us liking them. I remember playing with him and I vividly vividly remember the night the phone call came. Mom came in an woke me up and told me that LR was sick and that dad and grandma were going to go see him. He was in Wisconsin and I remember wanting to go along and they wouldn’t let me. I don’t remember how old I was but I wasn’t very old. Terry was probably about 2. (m – two to three)

M – You certainly weren’t old enough to go

D – that was a rough night. A rough time to go up and sit in the hospital and listen to a respirator breathe for your brother that’s why I’ll come back to haunt anybody that tries to resuscitate me or put me on a respirator or anything like that because that was pure hell

Me – red roses – I have two memories about red roses – The flowers in memory of LR. Grandma put some red roses on the church altar – it was probably about a couple of years later. But Every Christmas eve grandma would have red roses. The memory of those roses is much more pleasant than the memory of the red roses on the altar. Because Grandma’s red roses were for her anniversary. She had gotten married on Christmas Eve. On their first anniversary, granddad bought her a red rose. For her second anniversary, grandad bought her two red roses. The number increased every year until he hit a dozen and then it stayed at a dozen. Every Christmas Eve he would buy her a dozen red rose. So when I see red roses, I think of those two things: LR and grandma and granddad.

Me – totally change the subject – how did you and mom meet

D – well your mother sold tickets at a local movie theater and that’s how I actually met her. Now I got to know about her in a different way. She was with her date at the local truck stop which is about where Price Chopper grocery store is right now and she was very attractive, easy to look at. She seemed to be having fun with her date and her date was we call him digger o’dell because he worked at a funeral home and he was also a biology major and we walked together down to the high school for student teaching. That was the weekend and so the next Monday I asked him about her and asked him if it was a serious thing for him and if it was alright if I asked her for a date. He said no, he enjoyed her company but it wasn’t that serious. So I made myself known at the theater, got to know her, invited her out to go to a move and tried to make sure she hadn’t seen the movie and lo and behold she had. But she was the kind of person that still enjoyed the time, enjoyed the movie and enjoyed your company so that’s how I met her

Me – I’ve been told that a lot of the homecoming decorations and floats for her sorority had your help. Can you talk about that

D – I remember two in particular. One was a float. It was built so it could be picked up and set over and down onto a car. Course the drive had to be in the car to begin with because there wasn’t any way in or out after the float got placed on the car.

The other time, I helped design and build a display of a magician dunking the opposing team in oil. Besides helping build it I designed and put together a mechanism that would cause the arm to go up and down so that it was pretty realistic about being dunked in oil

Me – Where did you live when you were in college

D – lived on Highland and if I’m not mistaken it was 1324 I think Highland avenue.

Me – was it an apartment / somebody’s house

D – It was somebody’s house. Actually I also lived on Exchange. In both cases it was somebody’s house. I rented a room – basically what it was spare room

M – someplace else

D – Biggerstaff

M- there were several of you – about 8 or 10 weren’t there

Me – after you were married and you and mom – and me too- you lived here in Emporia in an apartment Who were some of your neighbors

D – Well  Fritz and Imogene Markowitz was the neighbors the only neighbors I can think of

M – there were a couple of older people

M – we used to go out for root beer with Fritz and Imy

D – there was a music

Me – do you have any memories of camping trips

D – Do I have any memories of camping trips. Ya I remember a lot of them. I remember one going to Yellowstone and the Tetons. I remember several going to New Mexico and Taos, New Mexico. And I remember one going to cacheras Colorado with the Brehms.

Me – Do you remember one with just Dave and I, grandma and granddad, you and mom

D – ya – that was to Estes Park and it rained.

M - We used the potty chair. Dave was in the potty chair stage

M – why I ever camped after that I don’t know. It was a miserable camping trip. It was bad weather and cold and rainy. Basically, one of the tents we had was an open floor – it didn’t have a floor in the tent. Like Marcia said, it was cold. Everybody enjoyed it We ended up having a good time, but it was miserable camping

Me – Do you remember being gone on vacation – I don’t know exactly where but coming home but turning around and leaving again

D – I don’t remember where we were but we turned around and went to Taos

Me – Why did we turn around and go to Taos

D – well we didn’t want to stay home

Me – wasn’t it the telephone ringing all the time

D – ya

M – we decided we still had some vacation time



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• Part 4


• Part 5

A Pink Boots Weekend

My calendar declared that this weekend was LAKE WEEKEND. 'Lake Weekend' is when my family gets together at Acorn Resorts on Lake Milford. A typical 'lake weekend' involves food, fire, football, and puzzles.

Our weekend typically begins with a shared meal Friday evening followed by gathering around the fire to visit. Even with the light from the fire, the view of the night sky can be amazing. With clouds moving overhead we were able to see a few stars peaking out from behind the clouds. Unfortunately, the youngest member of our party was disappointed in that she couldn't find her favorite night sky object -- the MOON. (Even without clouds, she wouldn't have found her 'moon', since it was a new moon.)

As the evening progresses, we have to convince the fire bosses to let the fire die down to coals so we can have dessert. Then the marshmallow sticks and pudgy pie makers come out and the contest to see who can roast the best marshmallows or make the best pudgy pie begins. (For dessert, our pudgy pies are white bread and pie filling.)

In the past, most of our Saturday has been spent outside whether going for a walk, being on the lake, playing outdoor games or just sitting around the patio visiting. Unfortunately, this weekend we woke up to light rain. We had expected a rainy weekend, but the original forecasts had indicated that the rain would mostly be overnight. With breakfast over and everyone's desire to be outside, the conversation often turned to the radar. The words, 'It should end in xx minutes.' were heard throughout the morning.

The puzzle crowd was content as they finished the National Park puzzle and started a new one. The book crowd was also content as they pulled out their favorite book and found a corner to read.

The youngest of the group decided to go play in the rain. She put on her pink rain boots, hat and coat and headed outside. For her, it was pure joy to get to stomp around in the grass or to find a water puddle and stomp in it.

Not to be outdone by her younger cousin (first cousin once removed), the youth in the group elected to take her dog, Duke, to the lake to play. Duke's joy of playing in the water was captured by Acorn Resorts and posted on their Facebook page.

Those predictions of the rain ending finally came true that afternoon and the fire was quickly lit. The party moved to the fire pit for conversation and of course listening to the football game on the radio. Although we are divided as to our favorite college team, we all enjoy listening to the K-State game. As the game came to a disappointing end, so did our time around the fire as the rain returned.

Our evening in the cabin was spent in a variety of ways. Some sat around the coffee table working the puzzle, some watched the Sporting KC game on TV while others played a game of Phase 10. Although we couldn't spend the evening around the fire, we had an enjoyable evening in the cabin.

Even though it was cool and rainy, we had a great time at the lake and have put it on our calendars for again next year!

Pets

I recently watched a video that included a Golden Retriever puppy going down a slide. This brought back memories of our family dog, Peppy. Peppy joined the family while we were living on P street in Lincoln, Nebraska. When Peppy was a puppy, we would take him to Woods Park for him to go down a short children's slide. Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures of Peppy going down the slide.

Source Templates

This morning, I watched part of the Wacky Wednesday episode: The Source Is Gone and hope to finish it watching it later today. During this presentation, Cousin Russ discusses how he is rethinking how he cites memorials on Find A Grave.

During the presentation, Cousin Russ compared the suggested citation for a Find a Grave memorial to how he was citing the memorial in his software. This made me curious about my own citations and how they compare.

Below is the suggested citation for the memorial of my second great grandfather, Washington Marion Crawford.



When I looked at the footnote for the Find a Grave source in my software (RootsMagic), I found that the footnote was similar to the suggested footnote.



My footnote is 'created' using a template to enter the information.



The above template is a 'custom' template that I created. I often copy a built-in template and then customize the copy. I like using templates. They make it easy for me to remember to include the important elements in a citation. However, I had heard that templates don't work well when data is exported - particularly via GedCom. This issue is discussed on the RootsMagic forum: 'Templated Sources in GEDCOM and Data Exchange' and 'Extreme Source Splitting and RM's Source Templates'.

To date, I have ignored the issue around how GEDCOM handles my sources created with the templates. Today, I decided to investigate what is happening to my sources when they are exported. One of the ways I export data on a regular basis is by uploading events and sources to Ancestry via RM's TreeShare. Looking at the same citation on Ancestry, I discovered that whatever I put in Source Details is split from whatever is in the Master Source section of my template.



I also noticed that the words 'created by' or 'photographed by' were dropped. These words were not entered by me in the source details section of the template but part of the citation template.



Wondering how the citation would transfer using GEDCOM, I created a small GEDCOM file. I then imported that GEDCOM file into a different genealogy program: Legacy. Once I figured out how to view the source, I found that words 'created by' and 'photographed by' were also dropped.



After comparing the citation from the other software program to the citations from Find a Grave and from RootsMagic, I discovered that the order of the Source Details text in the Legacy footnote was in order entered in my template (top to bottom).

From this study of my citations and what happens during the export, I believe there are some things that I can do to improve the exported citations:

• enter 'created by' and 'photographed by' in the Source Details instead of using the footnote template to add that text


• change the order of the Source Details components in my Source Template to match the order that I would like the text to appear in a footnote

If I attempt either of the above changes, every individual in my RM program with a Find A Grave citation would be marked as 'changed' for TreeShare. Thus, I need to be willing to spend considerable time to make these changes and work thru the TreeShare list. At this point, I'm not going to make the changes to existing citations. However, I will likely create a new template to use for any new citations.

Thompson Deeds

As mentioned in a previous post, my John Thompson ancestor and another John Thompson of a similar age are both living in Warrick County, Indiana at the same time. I'm hoping that land records for Warrick County, Indiana will help me separate these two families. Buried in my paper files were some notes I took from the deed index books for Warrick County. Since there are additional notes in the margins of these notes, I'm assuming I looked at the deeds while on a research trip to the Family History Library in Salt Lake.

Thompson Will

Last week, I stumbled upon a hint that the father of my ancestor, John B Thompson, was David Thompson of Barren County, KY. Following that hint, I found the will of a David Thompson in Barren county, KY. Among his children was a John B. Thompson.

Which One

I descend from John Thompson -- the John Thompson who married Sarah Iglehart in Ohio County, Kentucky, lived in Warrick County, Indiana, Wapello County, Iowa and Adams County, Iowa.

The 1830 and 1840 census records for Warrick County, Indiana include two men named John B Thompson.

1840 Census

1830 Census

THOMPSON Query

I am researching John Thompson who married Sarah Iglehart in 1820 in Ohio county, Kentucky. According to cemetery records, John was born in Kentucky. According to a history of Adams County, Iowa, John resided in Warrick county, Indiana before migrating to Wapella County, Iowa and then to Adams County, Iowa.

John and Sarah's children include

• William Taylor Thompson (1820-1898) md Mary Ann Evans
• Jacob Thompson (1822-1905) md Rhoda Evans
• Benjamin Franklin Thompson (1824-1875) md Catherine Black
• Levi Thompson (1826-1828)
• Martha Jane Thompson (1828-1848) md Alexander Van Winkle
• Andrew J Thompson (1832-?)
• Mary Elizabeth Thompson (1834-1917) md Henry Evans
• John Lowe Thompson (1836-1917) md Martha Ingersoll
• Francis Marion Thompson (1838-1921) md Martha Schooling
• Sarah Ellen Thompson (1841-1844)
• James Allen Thompson (1841-1868) md Margaret Scott

Analyzing Sources

I recently have been working on a 'go over' for my 2nd great grandfather, George Mentzer. In the process, I utilized Scrivener. I had probably heard about Scrivener, but when I saw it mentioned in the recent Twitter #genchat, I decided to try it. In the process of learning more about Scrivener and genealogy, I discovered Lisa Alzo's Ancestor Profile Template along with her 25 Genealogist Hacks Every Genealogist Should Know.

I haven't used my George Mentzer Scrivener project to write his biography (yet). However, I have used it to transcribe the various documents I've collected over the years.  My research folder contains the actual document files.

Same Name

For my genealogy research, 'brick walls' and 'same name' often go hand in hand. Hiram M. Currey and James Crawford are two examples where a 'brick wall' also involves working thru 'same name' issues. In the case of Hiram M. Currey, I have four generations that go by that name. To further complicate the issue, there is another Hiram M. Currey that is about the same age as my Hiram M. Currey of Peoria, Illinois. My James Crawford research is more complicated. I have identified three James Crawford families in the same area of early Kentucky. Histories of the region refer to a Rev. James Crawford who is likely the Rev. James Crawford -- a fourth James Crawford.

Over the years, I have been able to figure out the relationships between the multiple Hiram M Curreys and to separate the multiple James Crawfords. I have found the following techniques useful:

• Perform a reasonably exhaustive research of all people of the same name in the same area and time period
• Research the descendants of all of the people of the same name for at least three generations
• Use land records

TreeShare Hint Issue?

I feel like I'm going in circles trying to eliminate yellow light bulbs for Ancestry hints. I've been working on the descendants of Albert Hutchinson and it feels like I keep accepting the same hints for the same people.

Today, I decided to work with Netta M. Clickenbeard. RootsMagic says I have 4 pending hints. At some time in the past year, I figured out that the hint # doesn't group Ancestry Member Trees but counts them individually. So, this 4 pending hints could be 4 databases, 4 member trees or any combination of the two.

 

Since I don't accept the hints from RootsMagic, my next step was to locate Netta Clickenbeard in my Ancestry tree.  When I clicked on her profile, it indicated that I didn't have any hints to process.

 

I then went back to RootsMagic and clicked on the 4 to try and figure out the pending hints. According to the Ancestry WebHints window, I have rejected 2 hints. All of the other hints -- including all trees -- have green check marks.

 

 

 

The Ancestry WebHints window agrees with the Hints screen on Ancestry. Thus, I'm wondering if there is an issue with the lightbulb. Has anyone else noticed a similar issue with the lightbulbs?

GDPR Challenges for Non-Profits

As a genealogist and an information junkie, I read quite a few genealogy blogs, belong to quite a few genealogy Facebook groups, have a lot of genealogy friends on Facebook and follow a lot of genealogists on Twitter. (Remember, I am an information junkie!) Thus, I have encountered quite a few discussions of the European Union's General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).

Based on what others - especially the Legal Genealogist - have written, I have tried to understand the GDPR and to implement changes to my blogs and my website. As a volunteer for the Nemaha County Historical Society, I have also tried to inform their board about the GDPR and help them implement changes.

One of the challenges was guidelines on what the historical society needed to do. Other than the genealogy related blog posts, there wasn't an organization or government site providing help for non-profits. When guidance was sought from statewide organizations, the responses received were not as informative as the genealogy blog posts. One response was also somewhat misleading in that it implied that 'it was unrealistic' to expect the society to be in compliant by today. (The regulation was passed 2 years ago.)

Another challenge involves the society's email. The society is located in Seneca, Kansas. Seneca is blessed to have several Internet providers -- including local providers. Almost all of those providers include an email address hosted by the provider. Many users, including the historical society,  utilize that email address. It is doubtful that these local providers have the resources to become compliant with GDPR.

The third challenge is ignorance on the part of U.S. based companies. One vendor that the historical society works with indicated that they did not fall under the GDPR requirements since they did not have 250 employees. If this is true, then why are so many genealogists (and other bloggers) working so hard to learn about GDPR and to implement changes in their blogs, newsletters and websites? The answer to the question is that YES, the GDPR applies to anyone who has dealings with citizens of the European Union. The following articles by Sophos and Forbes magazine speak to this.

• GDPR: what does the new EU data protection law mean for small businesses? 
• Yes, The GDPR Will Affect Your U.S.-Based Business

Not only could the Nemaha County Historical Society be impacted by the GDPR but also area businesses. Even though we are a small Kansas town or county, there are businesses in the county with global markets. Below are examples of how local entities might fall under the GDPR requirements:

• Have a website or blog that tracks how many people visit the site or blog (the tracking involves the use of cookies, thus a 'cookie notice' should be on the site/blog)
• Send out an electronic newsletter where a recipient of that newsletter is a citizen of the European Union
• Have a name and email address for someone from a European Union country in a contact list
• Maintain any personal data (name, address, email address, etc.) in a database for anyone from a European Union country -- This could directly impact schools that have foreign exchange students from a European Union country!

Whether this European regulation applies to U.S. based businesses and organizations will ultimately be decided in court. Until then figuring out and implementing what is required by the GDPR is less costly than a potential fine.

GDPR - Why Should I Care?

During the last month - and especially the last week - there has been a lot of discussion in the online genealogy community about the European Union's GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation). I didn't pay much attention at first. After all, it is a European Union regulation and I live in Kansas. As the discussion became more frequent, I began paying attention.


So, should I care?

One blogger made the comment that as a citizen of the United States, he didn't see how we could be subject to any fines imposed by the European Union in regards to GDPR.

I don't earn money from my blogs. Nor, do I have 'subscribers' to my blogs. Thus, it would be easy to take the attitude that the GDPR doesn't apply, especially for those of us living in small town America.

As I read more and more about the issue for bloggers, I realized that I should pay attention and try to be compliant.

So, Why Care?

Even though I live in Kansas, I have done research for people from Europe - particularly as a volunteer for the Nemaha County Historical Society.  I often included a link to a Nemaha County page on my personal website with their research report. Thus, it would be fairly safe to conclude that both the historical society's website and my personal website are visited by people from Europe.

With the potential for a citizen of the European Union to visit my website or one of my blogs and with the potential heavy fines,

I have elected to care.

GDPR Part 2

I'm working my way thru GDPR and my various blogs and websites. In the process, I'm having to learn more about how these free sites (Wordpress.com and Google) work.

One of the first things I did today was to search my email for GDPR and search again for action required. This was so that I could opt in to the various email lists to which I subscribe. At this point, I don't think I've received emails from all of my lists. Thus, I will be repeating this step in the days to come.

The second task on my "GDPR TO DO" list was to create a page for my privacy policy on my blogspot.com blogs (Heartland Genealogy: Developing Skills and Nemaha Tales) and then to actually write a policy. For the most part, I copied my privacy policy from my Wordpress blog and modified it for the Google aspects of a blogspot.com blog versus a Wordpress.com blog. I ran into a 'stumbling block' in that my new page wasn't showing on my blog -- even though I had published it. To get the page to be viewable, I had to modify my layout. I elected to add a 'Pages' widget below the header. Thru the widget, I was able to put a check mark by the Privacy page to create a link to it on the blog.

My next task was to continue working on my Google site, Heartland Genealogy. Previously, I had played around with converting my classic site to a 'new' Google site. However, I hadn't actually published the new site. I elected to go ahead and convert my site to the new site in hopes that the 'new' Google sites will incorporate whatever tools Google provides for GDPR. I also felt like the new site was more mobile friendly than the 'classic' site. However, I miss the ability to 'manage' the site!

I copied the text for my privacy page from my blog and pasted it into a new privacy page. I had to edit the cookie info since the site notice is currently missing.

I want to thank The Legal Genealogist for all of her posts on GDPR. Her blogpost, "The GDPR, You and Me" has been most helpful in getting thru these tasks!

Challenge of GDPR

I'm a 'sometimes' blogger -- with several blogs and websites from Kansas. Being a 'sometimes' blogger means that I blog or add to a website when I have something I want to share. Even though I try to follow laws and regulations affecting the Internet, I tend to focus on Kansas issues. Thus, I was vaguely aware of privacy regulations in Europe but I didn't really pay attention to them. Let's face it, I didn't think they applied to me -- until about 2 weeks ago when discussion of the GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) began appearing in Facebook genealogy groups.

Since that time, I've been trying to figure out what I have to do to be compliant! Even though I can usually find the information I want thru Google, figuring out how to be GDPR compliant hasn't been easy. Instead of trying to find information thru Google, I resorted to the forum for Wordpress and the Site Help menu for my Google Site. I'm still working on this blog which is hosted on Blogger.com. According to info on the settings, a Cookie notice should appear automatically -- but it doesn't.

So what have I accomplished? Cookie banners! Yes, I now have a 'Cookie' notice on my Wordpress blog, Heartland Genealogy and on my Heartland Genealogy Google Site.

Buried somewhere in the Wordpress.com forum's post about GDPR was info about the widget, EU Cookie Law. Once I found out about this widget, it was easily installed (Appearance --> Widgets) and it works!

Getting a notice on my Google site was almost as easy. In Sites Help, I found a response to someone else's question that suggested using the 'site notice' feature to add a Cookie Notice.

Armed with that suggestion and suggested text for the notice, I was able to get a Cookie notice added to my Heartland Genealogy Google site.

 

According to my admin page for this blogger blog, there should be a notice when others access this blog.

 

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to verify that it works. After following the 'Learn More' link, I found that in order to view the cookie notice, I have to access my blog as if it were in a European country.

Once I changed the URL to end in .fr instead of .com, the Cookie Notice appeared! Thanks Blogger!

I've worked on a 'privacy' page for my Heartland Genealogy blog. Even though I've published it, I realize it needs improved! I still need to post a privacy page on my other blogs and on my Google Site.

I may also have to convert my google site to the newer version in order to be compliant with the GDPR.

My next step is to figure out what to do about comments. At this time, I don't have an answer. However, based on what I've read on these support sites, I believe all three companies will be providing the tools necessary for my blogs and website to be compliant with GDPR.

I would love to hear from other bloggers and web site owners about how they are working thru these issues!